Dear visitors,

Please enjoy this collection of historical Blackmoor threads.

- Please don't open any new post on this board, though.

We intentionally leave the old threadsopen to encourage further discussion on them, but any new threads really belong to, well,
the fora with the new stuff.

Your trigger-happy banmaster,

Rafe

Hi all,

So, the idea is to put together a timeline that makes the setting more coherent and accesible to people that do not know or aren't able to access the old materials.

To give the timeline a frame, I have placed Blackmoor in the Wilderlands' universe, basing my assumptions on material published by Judges Guild.

You are invited to add your own suggestions to the threads displaying my own (first) version of the respective eras.

- However, you might notice that I keep the timeline so far focused on the frame from the creation of the world until approx. two hundred years BEFORE Blackmoor traditional campaign time.

This is because I am, more than anything else, a dungeon master on these boards here, and many of the events in BM's immediate past touch the events in my campaign.

So, let's leave that out until the game is more advanced... :wink:

However, any details you send me via PM or email, I will gladly include in the second draft of our BM timeline, due some time this summer...

So, I am trying to build a coherent timeline of all the events leading up to the events of "The Promised Land".

Everyone, please help me to improve this third part, dealing with the earliest recordings of our world of Blackmoor.

So, I am trying to build a coherent timeline of all the events leading up to the events of "The Promised Land".

Everyone, please help me to improve this fourth part, dealing with the the rise of the kingdom of Blackmoor, and the age of the Genevans, and the rise of King Robert.

So, I am trying to build a coherent timeline of all the events leading up to the events of "The Promised Land".

Everyone, please help me to improve this second part, dealing with the earliest recordings of our world of Blackmoor.

So, I am trying to build a coherent timeline of all the events leading up to the events of "The Promised Land".

Everyone, please help me to improve this first part, dealing with Blackmoor's proto-history.

http://wayfarer.myfreeforum.org/posting ... f=41&p=110

Glgnfz:
has ANYONE EVER played one of these three modules?








i guess that never a character in a campaign has achieved immortal status, but perhaps you have played them as one-shots?


i've gotr them all, and i'd like to give them a try - any suggestions which one i could use first)

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VAN:
A friend of mine has played an immortal PC once. If I remeber well he has used the immortal storm.

However, I have to say that my friend didn't have very much fun playing an immortal. Don't talking about the DM, they have played only for 2 sessions! The DM didn't like the fact my friend was able to do anything, he didn't have the fear to die and he got in the most dangerous situation without second thoughts. There was not the classic fear, what will happen if I open the wrong door etc.

Of course I don't want to say what to do or not, I just said an experience I know.

Have a good time! :king:


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Cab:
Never played IM level, never even heard of anyone doing so. I think it could be great fun, if done properly, but hard to wrap your head around.

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alhoon:
As the DM there VAN, I remind you that we had lots of fun.

Also it is not the only time we have played immortals. He was just harassing everything and everyone in every world. It was a fun game but he didn't "think" as a God... only as a powerful mage. Using d20 rules he was a 25th level wizard/15th level cleric and a god... and he went after 7th level paladins, avoiding their armies. It was quite fun.

As a sidenote: I bought the Immortal set a few days ago... It is quite good but not as good as the other sets IMO. OK, your PC is a God... and you still want to go adventuring in forgotten ruins? ! ?

Managing your own plane though is awesome and has very good rules. I have been using a (sorry to admit) better system for Gods that grew over to be usable in the 3rd edition and has many similarities with that game. I'm still adapting my homebrew rules to the ideas I got from the immortal set.


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cab:
In many ways, the second version of the immortals rules (Wrath of the Immortals) is more playable, but it lacks the scope of the original set. Best, I think, treat that first set as a very loose set of guidelines rather than a hard and fast set of rules.

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Havard:

If you end up using IM1, I'd replace New York with something less recognizable, but still futuristic. Actually, I' suggest making it a preserved version of High Tech Blackmoor.

I own all these modules, but never played or ran any of them. In one of my first campaigns (as a player), we all made it to 36th level, conquered the entire Known World and began questing for Immortality. The campaign died at that point, however. :idiot2:

That is as close as I have ever been to using the Immortal rules in play with the brief exception of the time when I was GMing the HWA Trilogy...

Havard

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Glgnfz:
it seems there might be an rpol-immortal-game in the near future... :tchin:

http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewt ... 453#409453
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ExTSR (Frank Mentzer):
I've mentioned this before, but this is a new hangout, so...

The Marketing Department sent me a memo. They had named the 1st Immortals module (The Immortal Storm). They needed somebody to write an adventure based on that title. They wanted it to be me.

:igh::

So IM1 is sort of an intro to play at that level. While it takes you to fantastic places, it also takes you to present-day New York and Chicago. That's deliberate, and unlike one of the posters above, I do not recommend that you change it, for psychological reasons (unless it truly destroys your plan for the multiverse, which is highly unlikely).

I asked my buddy Bob Blake, who wrote and ran most of the AD&D Open tournaments in the late '70s to early '80s (and had things published through Judges' Guild), to do the second one. And I'd always enjoyed the work of Ken Rolston on other projects, so I was very glad to see him do the third. Both top-notch authors did real good jobs, imho.


I agree wholeheartedly that my boxed set is more Guidelines, and sketchier, than the subsequent Wrath set. I left various things unfinished (or not even begun) when I left TSR to join Gary in a new company; the Rules Compendium was one, and further expansion of Immortals was another.

So it goes; there just isn't time in life to do everything you want. At least I found the time to visit Napoli and Venezia, and spent a whole week in Firenze...

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-Havard

http://wayfarer.myfreeforum.org/viewtop ... f=41&t=140

Rafael:

Hi all,

What an amazing find I made on the web:

http://abroere.xs4all.nl/pnp/books.htm

As it appears, the game is still alive and kicking! :-D

Go check it out! *Dances around!* Soooo cooool! :-D

Yours,

Rafael

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Richard Snider
Blackmoor is not part of the Powers and Perils world. As Greg said, part of the reason was I made my own world. The other is I produced the work while working for someone. Making tacit references to a competitors product in mine would not be prefessional or, I think, wise.

As to the rewrite mentioned, I have looked into the rights for my game. Wizards of the West Coast told me to get lost. That means the second edition start I made is for those interested in the game only. It can only be found on Wout Broere's site. There will be no publication of it.

At this point in time, if I got back into serious FRP work it wouldn't be paper and pencil. I'd get some real programmers backing me up and put it out as a computer mega-opus. Would be damn interesting. :razz: :-D

Richard L. Snider

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Gsvenson:
Hi Richard,
It is nice to see that you found Rafael's forum's site.

I hope we can do better at staying in contact!

Your friend,
Greg

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Rafael:
Welcome, Mr Snider!

I enjoyed reading about your heroic deeds as a Blackmoor player and read a bit into your P&P material, which I happened to like so much I instantly installed a sub-board here.

Richard Snider wrote:
Blackmoor is not part of the Powers and Perils world. As Greg said, part of the reason was I made my own world. The other is I produced the work while working for someone. Making tacit references to a competitors product in mine would not be prefessional or, I think, wise.


From what I read, I couldn't have told any but superficial similarities to Blackmoor. The Indian-style cultures reminded me a bit of Blackmoor's Peshwa, but apart from that, I could find few thing s that were comparable.

Richard Snider wrote:
As to the rewrite mentioned, I have looked into the rights for my game. Wizards of the West Coast told me to get lost. That means the second edition start I made is for those interested in the game only. It can only be found on Wout Broere's site. There will be no publication of it.


So, WoTC owns that license as well? - What a mess... However, the P&P website that hosts your material is very well done, and seems to cover a lot of topics about the setting and the game. So, at least P&P is not lost to the gaming community.

Richard Snider wrote:
At this point in time, if I got back into serious FRP work it wouldn't be paper and pencil. I'd get some real programmers backing me up and put it out as a computer mega-opus. Would be damn interesting. :razz: :-D


I took some time to read into the culture book and must say that the setting sounded very interesting to me. I will most definitely use it for my next campaign! ...If only WotC wasn't so unfriendly about IP. (As you might have noticed, another classic gaming line I like a lot is DragonQuest from SPI, on which WotC likewise holds the IP lock.)

Yours,

Rafael
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Tgamemaster1975:

Rafael,
Thanks for the great link and Great site you have here. I am quite enthused to have found that it also has not one but two players from Dave Arneson's own campaign. It has always been difficult to find out much about Dave's campaign.

I have a copy of The First Fantasy Campaign(copyright 1977 92 pages), The First Fantasy Campaign (copyright 1980 64 pages smaller print) and Adventures in Fantasy(acquired after unsuccessfully bidding on the copy Richard sold) and a copy of Powers & Perils that I purchased after exchanging a few emails with Richard. RL prevented me from following up on those emails and will limit my time on hear for the near future.

I hope to be able to participate in what I hope will be a long and fruitful conversation here.

Cheers to all,
Tgamemaster1975
David

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Gsvenson ( Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:57 am )
Richard Snider passed away peacefully last night after battling cancer.

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Havard:
I'm sorry to hear this. I have only recently began investigating Richard's impact on RPG history. There are so many questions I would have liked to ask him. My thoughts go to his friends and family.

I wrote a eulogy of sorts on my blog. Hope it doesn't come off as disrespectful.



Rest in Peace.


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Gsvenson:
Nicely done, thanks Havard. Richard was also a Sci-Fi author, having written about 35 novels, although only one, The Leather Rose, was actually published.

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Here is his obituary:

Richard Leonard Snider
Mr. Snider, age 56, of Mint Hill, died Tuesday, November 17, 2009 at his home. Born August 29, 1953 in Albuquerque, NM, he was a son of the late Leonard Alfred Snider and Elizabeth Moody Snider. Mr. Snider was a self-employed landscaper.
A prayer service will be held 11:00 a.m. Saturday, November 21, 2009 at St. Luke's Catholic Church.
Survivors include his wife of six years, Najwa; and eight siblings, Paul, John, Clare, Richard, Kathy, Mary, Tom and George. In addition to his parents, Mr. Snider was preceded in death by a brother, Peter.
You may join in celebrating the life of Richard Leonard Snider by visiting his memorial at www.MeM.com. Through the personal Guest Book on this site, you are invited to share your thoughts and memories with his family.
Arrangements by McEwen Funeral Service - Mint Hill Chapel, 7428 Matthews-Mint Hill Road, Charlotte, NC 28227 (704-545-4864).
Published in Charlotte Observer on November 20, 2009




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-Havard

http://wayfarer.myfreeforum.org/viewtop ... f=40&t=325

Raskal:

I have started a blog dedicated to rpg with a large part for Blackmoor setting.
I will write messages to speak off alternative Blackmoor in the multiverse
But i am only at the first step of the trek :wink:

http://theraskalrpg.blogspot.com/search/label/Blackmoor


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Havard:
Looks interesting monsieur!
I will add a link to my site on the next update!

How popular is Blackmoor in France? Where are you in France BTW? I used to spend my childhood summers in the Languedoc(spl?) region
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Raskal:
I am afraid that we are few players of Blackmoor setting in France (at my knowledge).
My group is made of 6 persons : 1 master (me) and 5 players.
I am based on Paris neighberhood, so very far from Languedoc. :evil:

My next messages will speak of Blackmoor & Mystara and Blackmoor & Wilderlands. My main source is the (wonderful) works of Havard

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Havard:




Yeah Blackmoor is known only to a few, at least outside the US, but that makes it even more special




Yikes, didn't mean to step into any French regionalist feuds here
We went to Paris one year too, but I was very young. I remember being up in the Eifel Tower though and being amazed looking at the little cars down in the streets below.




Thankyou, thankyou
I do love praise, ofcourse. I'm looking forward to seeing your future installments!

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Havard

http://wayfarer.myfreeforum.org/viewtop ... f=40&t=313

Havard:
Hey,
I am planning on eventually using a variant of the plot from DA1 where agents of the Wizards Cabal kidnap the king. The problem is that the current Cabal isn't evil. Now, Im thinking, what if it is slowly getting corrupted, having the good forces within the Cabal being driven out, leaving an utterly evil organization around with influence in every court in Blackmoor? Any ideas for how to incorporate this in a campaign mainly dealing with the war against the Afridhi?

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Havard:

Okay, here are some thoughts:

* The Wizard's Cabal made a deal with Uther. Every nobleman in Blackmoor has a Court Wizard from the Cabal. This deal serves both groups: The Cabal provides the nobility with all the arcane services a nobleman could ever desire, but at the same time they get a heavy influence within the courts. The Wizards are even privy to many of the innermost secrets of the nobility and this is before taking into account the chance of unauthorized mind scanning magic used on employers. The influences of the Cabal also extend to other groups like powerful merchant houses and even some mercenary bands.

* The Cabal Inquisition not only hunts down Sorcerers, but also has an internal branch which can be used to control the members of the Cabal itself. I'm thinking of portraying them like the Babylon 5 Psi Cops.

* People like Sildonis, the Fetch and Robert the Bald are good-hearted people, trying to make sure the Cabal remains a good organization serving the interests of Blackmoor, but other forces are working against them, which is why Robert the Bald has generally isolated himself from the Cabal working on his own.

* The Church of Blackmoor is the major check against the Cabal as it denies them monopoly of magic. Not sure how this would play in. Also not sure how much I would want a Cleric vs. Mage situation. The fact that many of Blackmoor's enemies are religious fanatics might weaken the positicion of the Church. (Though it could also strengthen it).

* The Egg of Coot might easily be behind the corruption of the Cabal. Wizards are likely to become fascinated with the technologies possessed by the Egg.

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Raskal:

think that it's the best choice : Cabal is organize to promote internal conflictd, and struggle for power.

Imagine that some Cabal members thinks that the King becomes upset by actions of the Cabal against innocent sorcerers (if innocent sorcerers can exist ) and want change this thing.....

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Rafael:
Never even touched the WC in my games. -They're surely there, but way away from the focus of my campaigns... [smilie=pdt_aliboronz_23.gif]

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I think that it's the best choice : Cabal is organize to promote internal conflictd, and struggle for power.

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Imagine that some Cabal members thinks that the King becomes upset by actions of the Cabal against innocent sorcerers (if innocent sorcerers can exist ) and want change this thing.....

Quote:Never even touched the WC in my games. -They're surely there, but way away from the focus of my campaigns... [smilie=pdt_aliboronz_23.gif]