10-01-2019, 07:53 AM
Thanks for that Havard - was that the 3e players handbook?
Anyway, it sounds like the scale was 0-80 and then was "corrected" to 0-40 and then was either re-corrected back to 0 -80 or else the correction silipped through the cracks when the 4e book was prepared.
Does that sound right?
I think you are right about 0-80 being more consistent. Just counting hexes for the distance between Blackmoor and Maus on the FFC map at a scale of 10 miles per hex gives something in the Ballpark of 150 miles. Using the 0-80 scale and a ruler gets you something in the ballpark of 110 miles.
At the 0-40 scale the distance is more like 55 miles.
Ultimately, the question is "how big is your Blackmoor?"
I have to say that the 0 - 40 scale seems more "realistic" to me or maybe a better word is "manageable" even if it is less accurate to the intended scale. I mean 150 miles, or even 110 miles between Maus and Blackmoor is a big distance for a sparsely settled northern Frontier.
What's ironic, or maybe just fortunate, is that when I did the alignment of the Bunce Blackmoor map and the Dragon Mag Greyhawk Blackmoor map, I used the 0-40 scalebar of Bunce and matched that to the 0-50 scale of the Dragon mag map, which then produced an overlay where the locations of Blackmoor village and Maus on each map fell right on top of each other. It's an amazingly good alignment, and that never would have happened if I had used the 0-80 scale. (If you don't know what I'm talking about, there 2 posts starting here https://boggswood.blogspot.com/2019/09/m...kmoor.html)
Yeah, good catch. We have noticed some other liberties here and there. The position of the roads became an issue in this thread: https://blackmoor.mystara.net/forums/vie...=91&t=1466
Anyway, it sounds like the scale was 0-80 and then was "corrected" to 0-40 and then was either re-corrected back to 0 -80 or else the correction silipped through the cracks when the 4e book was prepared.
Does that sound right?
Greg Wrote:I'd be curious to know the definitive scale of the 4E map as well, although I tend to think the sourcebook version has the correct scale. That would be more consistent with the scale of the preceding D20 map.
I think you are right about 0-80 being more consistent. Just counting hexes for the distance between Blackmoor and Maus on the FFC map at a scale of 10 miles per hex gives something in the Ballpark of 150 miles. Using the 0-80 scale and a ruler gets you something in the ballpark of 110 miles.
At the 0-40 scale the distance is more like 55 miles.
Ultimately, the question is "how big is your Blackmoor?"
I have to say that the 0 - 40 scale seems more "realistic" to me or maybe a better word is "manageable" even if it is less accurate to the intended scale. I mean 150 miles, or even 110 miles between Maus and Blackmoor is a big distance for a sparsely settled northern Frontier.
What's ironic, or maybe just fortunate, is that when I did the alignment of the Bunce Blackmoor map and the Dragon Mag Greyhawk Blackmoor map, I used the 0-40 scalebar of Bunce and matched that to the 0-50 scale of the Dragon mag map, which then produced an overlay where the locations of Blackmoor village and Maus on each map fell right on top of each other. It's an amazingly good alignment, and that never would have happened if I had used the 0-80 scale. (If you don't know what I'm talking about, there 2 posts starting here https://boggswood.blogspot.com/2019/09/m...kmoor.html)
Greg Wrote:By the way, there's at least one immediately noticeable discrepancy between the 4E map and the D20 version. Williamsfort has been moved to an incorrect location on the 4E map. It should be at the northwest edge of the Stormkiller Mountains and not out on a plain and northwest of what I assume is a remnant of the older, larger Redwood.
Yeah, good catch. We have noticed some other liberties here and there. The position of the roads became an issue in this thread: https://blackmoor.mystara.net/forums/vie...=91&t=1466