Humans of the Wilderlands/Blackmoor vs Mystara

[Havard]

Wanted to make sure you were aware that the Kelnore stuff was added into the Wilderlands timeline by the Necromancer Games edition, but originally had nothing to do with it. It was simply a separate campaign that you could place anywhere or run on its own; had nothing to do with the official Wilderlands history or background, and completely unrelated to Tarantis or anyplace else in the published world.

I also didn't know that. It really helps explain the long history of the Wilderlands. I could never really figure out what Kelnore was about. I am keeping Kelnore in, but may have to think some more about how to fit things together for my own campaign.

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-3,721 BCCC/-7,121/BC 12,121: The fall of Kelnore.
-2,927 BCCC/-6,327/BC 11,327: The Dragon Lords begin their rule in Oricha.
-2,391 BCCC/-5,791/BC 10,791: The War of the Pious and the Philosophers.

There's very little canonical history in Mystara that old, but Geoff Gander's history of Lhomarr begins at about that point in history.

-2,600 BCCC/-6000/BC 11,000: Lhomarrians arise in Skothar as hunter-gatherers.
-2,300 BCCC/-5,700/BC 10,700: Lhomarrians begin migrating to the southern isles.
-2,100 BCCC/-5,500/BC 10,500: Lhomarrians discover island of Lhomarr.
-2,000 BCCC/-5,400/BC 10,400: Remaining Lhomarrians in Skothar are defeated by the Tangor people.

So from the point of view of someone trying to reconcile these settings, it seems reasonable to assume that the ancestors of the Lhomarrians were fleeing the aftermath of the War of the Pious and the Philosophers, and that they might have actually been descendants of the Empire of Kelnore, whose last remnants were defeated by the (Tangor) Gishmesh in 2,000 BCCC.

This is very interesting. From my own speculations on how all of this ties together I have so far kept things quite loose when we go further back than 10.000 BC

I wanted to make a connection between the Carnifex (of Mystara) and the Markrabs (of the Wilderlands), but different fan timelines for Mystara are inconsistent so forcing the issue too much might only create controversy.

I do like integrating the Lhomarrians better in this though. Having the Tangor/Gishmesh defeat the Kelnore and the Lhomarrians be remnants of that empire would work well. Would that mean that the Thonians are descendants from a Kelnore/Tangor mix then?


-Havard