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Re: Condensed list of deities - aldarron - 01-13-2012
Okay, took a stab at divvying them up, FFC style. Mostly this is Havards list. I added Uzukul from DocBM (just because) made Pathmeer seperate (couldn't see the association with Henrin) and one or two other little changes. Please comment and critique if anything strikes you as wrong or odd.
GREATER GODS (as acknowledged by the Church of the Facts of Life)
Baldin
Literacy, eloquence
Baldin, the patron of poets is only worshipped under that name.
Fronaus
Law, Justice
Fronaus is known as Raelralataen to the Peshwa.
Henrin
Loyalty, Guardianship
In other parts of the world he is known as Utnapishtim.
Kadis
Manual labor, craftsmanship
Kadis is known as Ferros to the Elves. Dwarves and Gnomes know him as Hemgrid.
Khoronus
Courage, leardership, strategy and tactics
Khoronus is not known by any other name at this time.
Mwajin
The sea, water, and trade.
Mwajin is known as Hydros to the elves.
Odir
Knowledge, intelligence, magic, strategy
Odir is known to the elves as Aeros. Dwarves know him as Dhummon. Gnomes as Charis. Peshwah know him as Hak.
Pacuun
Light, life, fire, destruction of undead
Pacuun and Sollus are actually the same individual. The deity the elves know as Fiumarra is also the same individual though humans and elves disagree on the deity's gender.
Pathmeer
Curiosity, travel, secrets
Pathmeer is known to Dwarves and Gnomes as Kela.
Phellia
Love, beauty, magic
Phellia, lover of Pacuun is also Tilla, patroness of the Docrae.
Sacwyhne
Frost, winter, dueling
Temrin (dead)
Time
Temrin was killed by Thanatos, but as a patron of Time, he may still appear in different periods that he travelled to before his death.
Insellageth
Insellageth is also known as “Father Dragon”.
Tsartha
Tsartha, dragon wife of Insellegeth is known by this name only.
Hadeen
Honour, protection
Hadeen is a deceased god, known by no other name.
Ordana
Harmony
Ordana the forest mother is another elven deity. She will always be known by this name.
Terra
Law, Justice
The elven deity Terra is known by the dwarves and gnomes as Shau. She is the wife of Odir.
Korzuun
Protection of children, nature and growth.
The dwarven deity known as Korzuun is known to the Peshwa as Yoosef and to the Elves as Sylvian.
Mieroc
Mieroc is the god of engineering and invention.
DARK LORDS
Brr'bb't
Transfomation and destruction, amphibians
Brr'bb't is also known as The Frog or Tsauthoggua.
Chamber
Dragon, son of Insellegeth
Chamber is only known by this name. He lacks his father’s tolerance of non-dragonkind and works to enslave all.
Dealth
Dealth is the lady of misfortune.
Elgath
Wild nature, harshness.
Elgath is known as Faunus or Sylvian by the elves.
Hella
Goddess of pure evil, death, pain
Hella is normally known by this name only.
Hersh
Chance
Hersh the trickster is only known by this name.
Id
The dark and ancient forces of Chaos. ID is manifest on Blackmoor in part, as the Egg of Coot
Tyrhm
Berserk destruction, conquest, lust
Tyrhm is mainly known by this name. He is a patron of Skandaharians and Frost Giants.
Thanatos
Decay, disease, famine, plague
Thanatos is only known by this name and feared by all.
Uzu Kul
The watcher of the deep.
Uzu-Kul is an ancient god who usually takes the form of a Kraken.
Volketh
Trickery, deceit, selfishness, murder
Volketh is known as Gorrim by Dwarves and Gnomes. Peshwa know him as Calelrin.
Zugzul
Fire, domination
Zugzul is best known by this name. In another world he is known as Vimhula.
Re: Condensed list of deities - aldarron - 01-20-2012
Havard, cat got your tongue? :wink: wondering what you think. I'm thinking of making an attempt at matching up some of the EPT gods next but wanted to see if you thought any of these should be switched around or whatever first.
Re: Condensed list of deities - Havard - 01-21-2012
Sorry it took me a while!
Looks like a good list. I would probably leave the Peshwah, Elf, Dwarf and Dragon deities out of this setup. I consider the Holy Thonian Church to be the continuation of the Church of the Facts of Life.
Also, IMC I identify Id with Thanatos.
Uzukul as a deity is a cool addition!
The Pathmeer/Hersh connections comes from the fact that they are both patrons of Thieves (Dwarves and Human) and both neutral. Pathmeer is for some strange reason listed as LN, which is fairly odd for a patron of Rogues. I am a little reluctant to list Hersh among the Dark Lords. Although CN, he doesnt seem evil. Volketh seems to take the role as patron of evil thieves and assassins.
Same thing with Elgath: The D20 Sourcebook hints at Elgath as a fairly dark deity, but if you accept the Faunus/Sylvain connection, then I think he needs to be removed from that list.
So this would leave us with:
GREATER GODS (as acknowledged by the Church of the Facts of Life)
Baldin
Fronaus
Henrin
Khoronus
Mwajin
Odir
Pacuun
Pathmeer
Sacwyhne
Temrin (dead)
DARK LORDS
Brr'bb't
Hella
Tyrhm
Thanatos
Uzu Kul
Volketh
Zugzul
-Havard
Re: Condensed list of deities - aldarron - 01-21-2012
Havard Wrote:Sorry it took me a while!
Looks like a good list. I would probably leave the Peshwah, Elf, Dwarf and Dragon deities out of this setup. I consider the Holy Thonian Church to be the continuation of the Church of the Facts of Life.
Also, IMC I identify Id with Thanatos.
Uzukul as a deity is a cool addition!
The Pathmeer/Hersh connections comes from the fact that they are both patrons of Thieves (Dwarves and Human) and both neutral. Pathmeer is for some strange reason listed as LN, which is fairly odd for a patron of Rogues. I am a little reluctant to list Hersh among the Dark Lords. Although CN, he doesnt seem evil. Volketh seems to take the role as patron of evil thieves and assassins.
Same thing with Elgath: The D20 Sourcebook hints at Elgath as a fairly dark deity, but if you accept the Faunus/Sylvain connection, then I think he needs to be removed from that list.
So this would leave us with:
GREATER GODS (as acknowledged by the Church of the Facts of Life)
Baldin
Fronaus
Henrin
Khoronus
Mwajin
Odir
Pacuun
Pathmeer
Sacwyhne
Temrin (dead)
DARK LORDS
Brr'bb't
Hella
Tyrhm
Thanatos
Uzu Kul
Volketh
Zugzul
-Havard
Cool! I like leaving the dwarf/elf/peshwa god names in just because I like the argument that they are really exactly the same gods with just a different name. Mostly cause that simplifies things a little and adds a little more variety/detail to the combined deity. But I can see your point.
Hersh and a few others were tough to place. I agree that he’s not evil, and elgath certainly isn’t evil. The difficulty is how to define the split between dark lords and greater gods. At first I was looking at the evil vs good paradigm, same as you, but that’s tricky, and the “neautral” alignments (which change from the d20 to 4e books anyway) are really problematic.
So then I started to look at it as chaos vs. law rather than good vs evil. That seemed to make a little more sense to me but really fit when I discovered that the EPT gods are also organized into two groups as gods of Change vs gods of Stability.
So Hersh and Elgath seemed like they would be aligned with the forces of change/chaos rather than the forces of law/stability.
I’m now going with linking Faunus with Korzuun and yoosef as Greater gods/stability; whereas Elgath/Sylvian I put with change/chaos.
Thanatos as Id – that’s interesting. I had just remembered the entry in the Ordo Elementarum write ups about the Tempus Abbatis and was planing to add it to the Id description. Was thinking the the egg and the Tempus Abbatis. Were both manifestations of Id. I’m not sure if Thanatos really fits as the “father” of those two given the technology angle, but maybe Thanatos is yet another kind of Id manifestation?
Anyway, let me know what you think, especially in regards to whether you divide it up as good vs evil or chaos vs law and how that affects the list.
Re: Condensed list of deities - Havard - 02-07-2012
Aldarron Wrote:Cool! I like leaving the dwarf/elf/peshwa god names in just because I like the argument that they are really exactly the same gods with just a different name. Mostly cause that simplifies things a little and adds a little more variety/detail to the combined deity. But I can see your point.
Actually what I meant was that we remove those deities who are exclusively worshipped by demi-humans, not those who in this version are assumed to be different identities of the same deity.
Quote:Hersh and a few others were tough to place. I agree that he’s not evil, and elgath certainly isn’t evil. The difficulty is how to define the split between dark lords and greater gods. At first I was looking at the evil vs good paradigm, same as you, but that’s tricky, and the “neautral” alignments (which change from the d20 to 4e books anyway) are really problematic.
So then I started to look at it as chaos vs. law rather than good vs evil. That seemed to make a little more sense to me but really fit when I discovered that the EPT gods are also organized into two groups as gods of Change vs gods of Stability.
So Hersh and Elgath seemed like they would be aligned with the forces of change/chaos rather than the forces of law/stability.
I’m now going with linking Faunus with Korzuun and yoosef as Greater gods/stability; whereas Elgath/Sylvian I put with change/chaos.
This is an interesting way of looking at it. OTOH, the term Dark Lord does suggest something more sinister than just "change". At the same time Greater Gods is a fairly open category which could be an argument for including the neutrals here.
Going by canon, Elgath is actually a fairly monstrous deity, possibly even linked to the Egg of Coot. I changed him to be a human name for Faunus, which would make him more sympathetic. I dont like the Egg of Coot connection so I simply dismissed it. Sylvain OTOH seems more light hearted, though he is ambitious.
Quote:Thanatos as Id – that’s interesting. I had just remembered the entry in the Ordo Elementarum write ups about the Tempus Abbatis and was planing to add it to the Id description. Was thinking the the egg and the Tempus Abbatis. Were both manifestations of Id. I’m not sure if Thanatos really fits as the “father” of those two given the technology angle, but maybe Thanatos is yet another kind of Id manifestation?
It depends on your take on the Egg of Coot. In my interpretation the technological aspect of the Egg is very much toned down (Necro-tech). I dont remember the term Tempus Abbatis? Remember that Thanatos is responsible for the death of Temrin, the God of Time.
Quote:Anyway, let me know what you think, especially in regards to whether you divide it up as good vs evil or chaos vs law and how that affects the list.
Sorry it took me a while to get back to this. Hope you haven't forgotten about it
-Havard
Re: Condensed list of deities - aldarron - 02-07-2012
Havard Wrote:This is an interesting way of looking at it. OTOH, the term Dark Lord does suggest something more sinister than just "change". At the same time Greater Gods is a fairly open category which could be an argument for including the neutrals here.
Most of them (as are most of the EPT gods of chaos) are fairly sinister, but I don't think being a "dark lord" implies evil neccessarily - remember who used to style himself "The Dark Lord of Gaming" Hint: initials are DLA
Havard Wrote:It depends on your take on the Egg of Coot. In my interpretation the technological aspect of the Egg is very much toned down (Necro-tech). I dont remember the term Tempus Abbatis? Remember that Thanatos is responsible for the death of Temrin, the God of Time. -Havard
Players guide to Blackmoor P175 mentions Tempus Abbatis
Re: Condensed list of deities - Havard - 02-07-2012
Aldarron Wrote:Havard Wrote:This is an interesting way of looking at it. OTOH, the term Dark Lord does suggest something more sinister than just "change". At the same time Greater Gods is a fairly open category which could be an argument for including the neutrals here.
Most of them (as are most of the EPT gods of chaos) are fairly sinister, but I don't think being a "dark lord" implies evil neccessarily - remember who used to style himself "The Dark Lord of Gaming" Hint: initials are DLA
Heh! Hadnt realized that this might have anything to do with his initials. Clever!
Quote:Havard Wrote:It depends on your take on the Egg of Coot. In my interpretation the technological aspect of the Egg is very much toned down (Necro-tech). I dont remember the term Tempus Abbatis? Remember that Thanatos is responsible for the death of Temrin, the God of Time. -Havard
Players guide to Blackmoor P175 mentions Tempus Abbatis
Ah, yes that guy. Its difficult to say who Tempus Abbatis is. Could he be the ghost of Temrin? Or simply an Elemental Ruler? Actually the description suggests that Tempus Abbatis is working against whoever is thwarting the force of technology towards evil...
-Havard
Re: Condensed list of deities - Yaztromo - 12-05-2017
How about the statue of Poseidon in the Blackmoor dungeon? Is Poseidon actually a Blackmoorian god or is one of the gods in the list represented as a statue of Poseidon, where Poseidon is just a reference for the players rather than the characters?
Re: Condensed list of deities - aldarron - 12-05-2017
Right, and then there is all the Pygmalion stuff. Really all needs to be reworked to mesh with that. Too many projects......
Re: Condensed list of deities - Yaztromo - 12-05-2017
Could the Poseidon statue actually be that of Uzu Kul?