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Blackmoor Week Day 2: Unreasonable Dave Arneson Fans - Havard - 09-25-2022 Crossposted from my blog: Quote:Unreasonable Dave Arneson Fans? (Blackmoor Week Day 2) Read original here: http://blackmoormystara.blogspot.com/2022/09/unreasonable-dave-arneson-fans.html -Havard RE: Blackmoor Week Day 2: Unreasonable Dave Arneson Fans - finarvyn - 09-25-2022 Strange stuff indeed. Like you, I hear people defending positions that I never see folks express. It hadn't really occurred to me that this could be a backhanded anti-Gygax attack strategy, but I can see that as an option once you mentioned it. :O RE: Blackmoor Week Day 2: Unreasonable Dave Arneson Fans - Havard - 09-25-2022 (09-25-2022, 02:27 PM)finarvyn Wrote: Strange stuff indeed. Like you, I hear people defending positions that I never see folks express. It hadn't really occurred to me that this could be a backhanded anti-Gygax attack strategy, but I can see that as an option once you mentioned it. :O The back-handed Gygax attack thing is something I have suspected when I saw it on sites that mostly focus on non-D&D RPGs. I am sure those people still exist, but I think this is more of a myth. I also think that the real Dave Arneson fans are a bit of a mystery to those who peddle in gaming history. They rarely come and talk to us, although I have talked to Jon Peterson on occasion ![]() Heh, I remember a time when you were one of the only few people talking about Dave Arneson my friend! ![]() -Havard RE: Blackmoor Week Day 2: Unreasonable Dave Arneson Fans - Greg - 09-28-2022 I suspect that these "unreasonable Dave Arneson fans" are so few that they're completely inconsequential. In contrast, there seem to be many unreasonable Gary Gygax fans who completely dismiss Dave's contributions, and their view seems to have become the prevailing notion among old-school gamers. I think Dave Arneson should be credited as the originator of D&D and fantasy role playing, certainly in terms of being the first game master who ran a fantasy role playing campaign and established many of the core mechanics, rules and concepts that are used across countless RPGs to this day. But Gary codified many of Dave's rules, took the game much further, and was largely responsible for bringing D&D to the world as a published product. As I've said elsewhere, I think Dave was the initial innovator and the creative mind that sparked it all (with considerable help and contributions from his players), and Gary was the rules lawyer, publisher and game designer who took it from there and led D&D to success (with plenty of help and contributions from his players and many others as well). Let's hope a more balanced view becomes the prevailing one. |