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- Havard - 07-25-2010 Aldarron Wrote:Yeah the theory I've been going with was that the dwarven population has been drastically declning for more than a millenia now, due to wars and what have you, opening up vast areas of what was once part of the northern delving to new settlers, DoP, Dot, and Blackmoor. Well, they have only lived in the North for about 500 years, but it does appear that the settlement is failing. Given their vital role as supporters of Blackmoor, the doom of the dwarves would be very unfortunate for Uther. If Uberstar was to be rescued, that might be enough to turn things around... Its hard to say what the situation is for dwarves in Thonia, or the Dwarven Goatherder culture in the far west... Quote:As for elves and steam tech, I would take the opposite stance based on what Jerry told us. They really should be the only ones fooling with any technology - like the holy water fire hoses. I realize though the d20 stuff went in a different direction following the AD&D gnome engineers etc. Impossible to reconcile everything. IMC I am replacing the water hoses with Elven Hydromancers. ZG has many elves be elementalists so that fits. Early Arneson was fairly vague on the demi-humans so I think it makes sense to make use of ZG material here. Havard Re: Dwarf/Gnome Timeline - Havard - 02-02-2011 Quote:830 Interestingly, the above means Mieroc accomplished this right in the middle of the Mage Wars. That sounds a little odd doesn't it? Rechecking my sources, all we know is that Gnomes have been migrating to the North over the last 200 years, so Meroc would have had to make his invention some time before that. Should we move it prior to 815? I wonder if Mieroc arrived with the migrants heading for the Duchy of Ten, or whether he was sent to work for Uberstar... -Havard Re: Dwarf/Gnome Timeline - Havard - 02-04-2011 Timeline updated -Havard Re: - Havard - 06-20-2011 Havard Wrote:Dave L Wrote:The map for DA3, bottom right corner in the Thonian Rand - "New Delving". I checked DA3 and unfortunately New Delving/New Digging is not a dwarven colony, at least not anymore. Bumping this thread also because I am taking another look at the Dwarves of Blackmoor. There is quite a bit of information in the Blackmoor PG which I didnt look to closely at first time around. -Havard Re: Dwarf/Gnome Timeline - aldarron - 06-24-2011 The "strange comet" in 1019 - how does that relate to the Dwarves? Connected to the economic depression? I've been putting the date of the mines about 40 years further back (460) to reconcile with the line on pg189 of the 4eTFC sourcebook “nearly 600 years of mining”; that'd give about 570 years which is just close enough to 600, I think but still in keeping with "DA1:63; “over half a millenium ago”. Some interesting bits about dwarves in Daves'[ Izmer writeup too... Re: Dwarf/Gnome Timeline - Havard - 06-24-2011 Aldarron Wrote:The "strange comet" in 1019 - how does that relate to the Dwarves? Connected to the economic depression? Good question. I think I put it in there because it is linked to the development of technology. While perhaps not apparent yet, discoveries made in the Valley of the Ancients will have dramatic consequences on on the things that dwarves and Gnomes have already been working on. IMC I also theorize that dwarves have a secret linked to this. Quote:I've been putting the date of the mines about 40 years further back (460) to reconcile with the line on pg189 of the 4eTFC sourcebook “nearly 600 years of mining”; that'd give about 570 years which is just close enough to 600, I think but still in keeping with "DA1:63; “over half a millenium ago”. That would work Quote:Some interesting bits about dwarves in Daves' Izmer writeup too... Very interesting! Will check it out ASAP. Thanks for pointing this out. Also, I realized that for some reason the timeline in the OP had been cut in the middle of 1019. I have now edited it to include the last decades: Havard Wrote:1019 -Havard Re: Dwarf/Gnome Timeline - aldarron - 06-24-2011 Havard Wrote:Aldarron Wrote:Some interesting bits about dwarves in Daves' Izmer writeup too... Yeah there's a bunch of things about the Izmer write up that echo what was later written for the DAB books and could be seen as the "west coast" details of the same events and trends. (izmer being west of the Goblin Kush) No time now but I want to work up a post about it. Re: Dwarf/Gnome Timeline - Havard - 06-26-2011 Aldarron Wrote:Yeah there's a bunch of things about the Izmer write up that echo what was later written for the DAB books and could be seen as the "west coast" details of the same events and trends. (izmer being west of the Goblin Kush) No time now but I want to work up a post about it. Here is what I have been able to find so far: Dave Arneson Wrote:The dwarves, driven by their greed, destroyed the city of Antius by mining under the entire area. Rather than take proper precautions in their many tunnels, the very earth was honeycombed and weakened in their quest for magical ore. Only then when it was too late the city was warned. The above is taken from Dave Arneson's article Society of Sumdal and Izmer original appearing on wizards.com (ca 2000). Passages in italics are by "Charlie the Cutpurse" a thief living in the Empire. Now I am less inclined to treat the movie setting as part of Blackmoor, but I think it can be seen on par with the other settings that Blackmoor has been connected with to be discussed in the Beyond the Veil Forum. However, since Arneson wrote these articles, it is not unreasonable to assume that he inserted his own views on Dwarves, just like he did with the elves. Now it might not be apparent in the quoted paragraphs, but the article depicts the dwarves as seen by the wizards, so should not necessarily be taken at face value. -Havard Re: Dwarf/Gnome Timeline - aldarron - 06-26-2011 I'm cool with including Izmer on my Blackmoor map because Dave put it on his, but the movie was so terrible its really easy to see why anyone would shy away from that. "My" Izmer though is Dave's Izmer - what he wrote, and has no more connection to a vaguely remembered Hollywood movie in my mind, than Ralph Bakshi's Lord of the Rings has to Tolkien. The "underground fortresses" is an interesting thing to note, as is the commentary that they do not (usually?) do magic. Re: Dwarf/Gnome Timeline - Havard - 06-26-2011 Aldarron Wrote:, as is the commentary that they do not (usually?) do magic. This one caught my attention as well. It could be related to dwarves being able to be spellcasters in 3rd Ed though... -Havard |